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Kala Ambrose speaks with authors, artists and researchers, delving into topics of ancient mysteries, metaphysical explorations and holistic discoveries from science and spiritual arenas on the Explore Your Spirit with Kala Show. Transcribed here is an interview Kala conducted with Dr. Christine Page about her book 2012 and the Galactic Center: The Return of the Great Mother. . *Special Thanks to TaDa Transcripts for providing the transcript of this audio interview.

Kala: Welcome to the Explore Your Spirit with Kala Show. I'm your host, Kala Ambrose. Our guest this evening is Dr. Christine Page, a mystical physician, intuitive and author of the book “2012 and the Galactic Center: The Return of the Great Mother”. This book is the topic of discussion this evening on our show.

Dr. Page has over 30 years of experience in the caring profession as a medical doctor and homeopath. Receiving her medical degree from London University, she specialized in pediatrics and general practice. With her vast knowledge of complementary medicine, she contributed to its widespread acceptance with the British health care system. Now focusing on education, Dr. Page shares her knowledge through teaching, soul readings and writings. As an international speaker, she sees herself as a messenger and bridge builder between different worlds whether this includes modalities of health care or levels of consciousness. For those of you listening to the show on your computer, you can find out more about Dr. Page at her website, www.ChristinePage.com.

Christine, welcome to the show.

Dr. Christine Page: Thank you so much for letting me be here, Kala. Very much looking forward to it.

Kala: It's a pleasure. We have a lot of authors on the show and I read a lot of books, but I have to tell you, I really, tremendously enjoyed your book. Like I said, I've read a lot since I started reading at the age of four and I'm a voracious reader. I can't begin to count how many.

It was interesting because seeing the title of your book with “2012”; I thought it was going to be about one thing. But it turned out to be, to me really, going back in time as well and explaining things so thoroughly in an esoteric way that I really connect with—with the goddesses, with the history of the past, and explaining what all that means up until today. And that was a fascinating read for me so I really appreciate this book.

Dr. Christine Page: Thank you so much. It does, and it's a nice way of saying it. It feels as if I want to always help people to understand who they are and from a historical point of view, before we can look forward, we have to understand ourselves from the past.

Kala: I couldn't agree more. And it's so important, because if we don't understand what happened way back then, it's hard to put it in perspective now. We hear people talk about a date, or something like that, but in this modern world, it's hard to connect with that, I think. Sometimes it makes sense with it, until you understand the roots of where we came from and how we used to live, and those archetypal memories that still reside within each of us. And when we connect with those, it puts everything in perspective, in my opinion.

Dr. Christine Page: Absolutely right. And I feel that we didn't come to 2012 or any day without laying down some foundations and even leaving ourselves signposts. And I think there are signposts left in things like mythology, astrology and alchemy. Those were signs that were left by the ancient people, or maybe by ourselves as predecessors, to guide us through these times.

Kala: I agree. I'd like to start with our listeners. Some people are more familiar with the galactic center than others. Could you explain to us the Harmonic Convergence in 1987, the galactic center and the time frame that we're looking at here, the 36 years?

Dr. Christine Page: Very much so. So at this present time, and what we understand, is the sun is more closely aligned to the galactic center—the center of the galaxy—than it's been for 26,000 years. And according to the Maya and also to astronomers, the passage of the sun in front of the galactic center, which is a large black whole, started around the time of the Harmonic Convergence in 1987.

If many of you listeners may know, this was a time where we saw an awakening of light beings. To me, those light beings weren't necessarily external beings; they were our 12 chakras within our 12 bodies. A hundred forty four thousand light beings woke up within each of us. That Harmonic Convergence to me was the beginning of these changes. What we know is that the passage of the sun in front of the galactic center will take 36 years, and therefore, ending somewhere around 2020, 2023, which really aligns very nicely to the fact that Pluto, the great planet's transformation is presently going through the sign of Capricorn, which is the sign of structure and rules.

We are seeing a transformation in the structures which we have called reality, and that's really what's happening at this time.

Kala: Is that all then? Well, that is pretty easy. <<Kala chuckling>>

Dr. Christine Page: I've always just liked to say the transformation does mean death and then rebirth. It's not just rebirth. We do need to do the dying bit.

Kala: Absolutely. There's always so much work involved with it. And it explains a lot, I think, when people begin to read this and understand that it explains some things that are going on in their personal lives, and why time seems to be moving so quickly, and why we seem to go to the depths and the highs all at the same time right now. It's pretty amazing.

Dr. Christine Page: Exactly. And really, to say that time is dissolving, it's speeding up to a point almost, that it's speeding up to dissolve. I remember someone once telling me that time meant a temporarily induced mind experiment. And I think that that is why we are now seeing such prevalence in people talking about being in the now.

If you really ask this, “Wow. What would I be like if I lived just in the now?” That isn't to deny the past and the future. It's really to say that all of it is happening at one time. It becomes confusing in its own right but as you say synchronicities are happening immediately, you think of something and it's happening immediately because of this dissolving of time.

Kala: Yes. And I think as time goes by, we will begin to understand and live in that as it does dissolve as you say. Absolutely.

There's so much I want to get into in your book and we have such little time, I could probably keep you on here for three hours just delving into it. But, I love how you explain in here about the Milky Way as the Great Mother. Can you describe that for us?

Dr. Christine Page: Yes. I would like to tell the listeners to just imagine that there was no television. Imagining they were in low lights, and that all we did was sit and watch that Milky Way. I hope that everybody has had that chance to actually look out on the really clear night when there was no light pollution. And you look up and you think, “Wow. There's almost no room for any more stars because there were so many stars up in the sky.”

All of them belong to our Milky Way. But what we see when we look up is that white expanse where the stars are more connected, or closer to each other. And then there's this area that looks very full of white.

What the Mayans saw was that was the pregnant belly of the Great Mother --and the Milky Way really showed herself as the Great Mother, who both gave birth to us and also would call us, at times-- likes this. We are, at the present, being pulled back into the great belly of the Great Mother and eventually into her heart which is the center, the galactic center.

And if you do get a chance to look out on a really good night, you will see that there looks like a line—that's what they call “the dark rift”—and it runs along the Milky Way, right into the center. For the Maya, that is the black road. And in their imagery, they see that as the vagina of the Great Mother and that we were given birth through that vagina and now we are being pulled back into it. Other cultures see that as a jaguar—that it's not a great mother, it's a jaguar—but again, now the black road is the mouth of the great jaguar.

So whatever you want to call it, we are on our way back in. And we're moving along that black road. Because of our closeness to the galactic center, we are seeing that great down of structure, rather than creation at this moment. We are dissolving not evolving, one could say.

Kala: This is one of the things that really excited me about your book. So many people talk about the rise of the divine feminine and that energy coming back, and speak about it. People can feel it intuitively. I feel it myself, I feel it rising. But in your book, you give such great examples that put it just very logical to understand—to see how the universe is and what's happening, to understand the Milky Way in that essence with the Great Mother. You also talk about following natural rhythms, and how that even came back in the ancient times in Sumeria—how people understood rhythms, whether it was through women and the menstrual cycle, the crops, the endocrine system—everything, you referred to there and explained that. Can you go into that a little more, about how we used to follow that?

Dr. Christine Page: Yes, and it ties so much. Again, I probably just want to start with saying, this isn't the denial of the masculine. But we want to understand that the masculine part of our being is the doer. It is the one that is on the hero's journey. At any point of transformation, whether it is death or birth, it is always the female that is the vessel for that transformation, as well as the one that calls us home to that; the intuitive part of our self.

It is the fact that it is our masculinisms, continually to be journeying on the path that we're on, but it is through the feminine that we will achieve this transformation, and that, as you said, the qualities that the feminine give to me are intuition, the knowledge of rhythm and cycles, and the willingness to die and be transformed; the renewal quality. Of course, every woman knows that through her menses-- her moon time. Unfortunately, most women, like myself, were not told that. They weren't encouraged to say, “Wow. What a wonderful thing this is.” It was seen much more as something that is more of a nuisance. I would say that women, “We need to be wakening again to the importance of recognizing these rhythms.”

Way back in ancient times, certainly in Sumerian and Babylonian times, they understood the rhythms. And primarily, that was because of their understanding of the moon cycles. There had been as many moon gods as there are goddesses, so I just want to say that, though we see the moon in the cyclical pattern, it is also containing both male and female within it. When you see the dark moon, and of course, we'd turn towards and say, “Wow. Look, there's a dark moon”, but the dark moon is the feminine. And she gives birth to the light, and she gives more and more energy to the light at her expense, until what we see is a full moon.

Then, after the full moon, knowing that the dark side of the moon is still present, the light that she has given birth to, her son, feeds the darkness until he disappears. And once again, we have a dark moon and then she gives birth to the light.

And then back in the times of Babel, for instance, they built the tower of Babel in Babylon to coincide and to honor these cycles of the moon, understanding that when certain moon phases are there, there's an increase in consciousness. We know that certain things happen much more about new moons than they do about full moons, and vice versa. And what was interesting is that, the tower of Babel was built as a stepping stone to literally be able to understand that, at certain times, we can go through the galactic center and experience the wholeness, the powerful abundance that is ours, at that time.

That's what women were meant to be doing during the time of their moon time. It is a highly psychic experience, a menstrual cycle, and that's why in many cultures, women would go into the cave or take themselves away, so that they could have this experience bring down the information and bring it back to the tribe. Because we got so caught up, we lost all of that. And just to complete with that, the last lunar god was actually called Sin.

I think that's very relevant when we understand, maybe from a Christian point of view, that it's wrong to follow sin. I think the statement was that now we are going to become solar beings, we are not to be lunar beings anymore. Once that solar consciousness came through, the whole idea of rhythms got lost. Solar worship has been around probably for about 3,800 years. Now, we need to return to a much fuller balance between solar and lunar consciousness. Just for the last piece, I'll say, it's interesting to note that the only culture that is fully lunar is Islam, because if you look at their flag, it is actually the crescent moon. Hebrew and Chinese both have a solar lunar calendar. But again, it's interesting to see the battle that may be going on between, let's say, Christian forces and Muslim forces which may well still be between sun and the moon. And we need to come into harmony that both are needed.

Kala: Harmony, I think, is the key there with everything—masculine, feminine—it's not about one being over the other. It's about both being in balance and searching for that in all things.

Dr. Christine Page: Absolutely.

Kala: There's a lot of talk about the calendar, and how we move to the solar calendar versus the 28 days and how a woman's body is born, in sync with that of the 28 days. And it's always been interesting to me after we did change that calendar, how it's always off and we have to readjust time a little bit each year, I think by—it's like a millisecond or something—but still, in the way some months have the 28 days, some are 30, some are 31, versus what we used to follow. I think the 13th month cycle of the moon seemed to make more sense back then, the way it was done.

Dr. Christine Page: Absolutely. The many cultures that knew also followed an 18.6-year cycle of understanding the movement of the moon around the earth. It takes 18.6 years for it come back to a completely same place as it was. Because of its own strange orbit around the earth, it takes that period of time. Even places like Stonehenge had reference to 18.6 years as an important part of our cycle. And I think it's interesting to look at our own lives, maybe, to see what happened when we were 18.6 and then when we were 36 or 37. These are major times of change in our life -- the moon, the earth and the sun all coming to a different alignment with each other.

Kala: They really are. That's interesting. Well, I have to go look at that, write that down and look back and see what changes I had at that time. Something else that really jumped out with your book is—I teach Tarot teachings from ancient Egyptian times, and they also connect it with Sumerians so, of course, I really loved your book and things you talked about. I have heard stories from teachers I had and others, about the menstrual cycle, and about some of the hormones and things that are produced when a woman goes through her menstrual cycle.

DMT is such a buzzword right now that people are talking about. I read in your book that a woman's body produces hormones such as DMT especially in abundance in the menstrual blood. And that in way old times, kings and leaders use that. Can you tell us about that?

Dr. Christine Page: Yes. When you read back into these old histories, it's fascinating. I mean one would look back and say, “Why on earth would they drink that?” But, you have to understand that back in Sumerian and Babylonian times, it was not always understood even how a baby was made. I think that was the great secret that women had. But they didn't tell the man that having slept with him was the reason. And so these women were seen to be all powerful. Certainly, they produced this child. And I kind of like that idea.

Kala: A lot of virgin births.

Dr. Christine Page: Yes. It was a great joke we had. But, anyway, apart from that, it was known that—the blood obviously being the life force, there was no doubt about that—the ancient Mayans even knew of this. You may know the bloodletting that the Mayans did. They even took penile blood to try and increase their energy. But what they really knew about, was that something that was in the female blood, at the time of menses, allowed them—as you say, DMT was in that, they didn't know that at the time—but they did realize that women reached higher levels of psychic ability, ESP, or became more like the oracle.

Therefore, they believe that that gift was in the menstrual blood and therefore, the drinking of it was a habit—a way in which they took the DMT, they felt that they reached higher psychedelic levels, levels of psychic ability, and it wasn't until probably about 1800 B.C., that they actually realized that that probably wasn't giving them all they needed.

It was about the same time that we found, a manna from heaven occurred and again, we're not too clear how that came about, whether or not it was actually dropped from the sky, or whether or not they found that they could produce it. But that was then monatomic gold that they produced with now understanding, that the people, the priest started to be able to produce a gold or palladium or platinum, that group in the monatomic form. When they ingested that, they receive the same results as they did when took the menstrual blood with the DMT in, because the monatomic gold actually stimulates the brain to create more DMT.

Kala: I think it would be so interesting to see some type of scientific study on that. All women have an intuition. I believe all people have intuition. But some people are more intuitive than others. It would be such an interesting study, if there was some way to study the blood of that time and to see if there are higher levels in some people than others.

Dr. Christine Page: Yes, exactly.

Kala: I think that's where we're going and I want to get your opinion on that. As DNA studies improve, as well as everything that we're getting into with stem cells and everything else, do you see us getting back to that time where we understand our DNA like it seems like we did a long time ago? And of course, there are theories about our DNA being tampered with and altered. Do you see us with an understanding of perhaps bringing all those strands back together in the future?

Dr. Christine Page: I do. It's an interesting feature, about—if I just finished with the menstrual cycle, you know, the belief that it is actually when women come together, of course, we know that women go back into cycle with each other, but that, again, in ancient times, all women's moon time was around the new moon. I think that is an amazing feature that we've gone so far away from.

Kala: Yes.

Dr. Christine Page: Certainly, that is so much more akin. The time of the dark moon should be the time in which women do bleed. Then, the new moon comes with the start of the growth of the egg, the new egg being born or being given fertilization to, or I should say, nurturing to.

So, I feel that that is something; I think as women, I feel we need to stand up and actually see ourselves as having a very important role in the community again, and that when I speak to my Native American friends, they speak such a different language than I did. They are honored in their bleed. Their husband and their children understand that without the woman taking herself away from the family at this time, the family cannot continually go forward and be creative; that the power is in allowing the woman to take this time to tap into those deeper aspects of herself and for the tribe. It doesn't necessarily mean that she doesn't work or doesn't go to school, but that she certainly sees herself as a privilege, as important during that time.

I think that hasn't changed. Whether or not we get back to our 12 strands of DNA, I certainly think it's very amusing when we think that 90% of DNA, the medical profession have absolutely no clue what it's doing. I heard someone saying it's just sitting there waiting, and I really don't think it's just sitting away. I think 90% of sitting, waiting is a little farfetched. The fact of the matter is that 90% are tapping into something that, as yet, we haven't got the machinery to measure. And I think it's exactly the same as saying that only 8 or 10% of our brain patterns—or we're only using 8 or 10% of our brain. No, we can't measure the way in which our brain is connecting to all sub states of consciousness and other levels of dimension.

I think that it's not that we're not tuned in, that we can't measure or we don't even give value to somebody who says, “Well, I'm tapping into my guides, or my angels, or whatever.” I would love to see experiments done on that because I know that for myself being an intuitive, I don't think that I particularly go into some altered state when I do that. It's just a natural place to go.

Kala: Yes, absolutely.

Dr. Christine Page: And it's not like you could see it from the EEG and, “Ah, there we are. That's where she's gone.” But I would love to. You know, these higher frequencies of brain wave passes are fascinating, because they're the ones we now need to measure, not these low frequencies. It's these high ones --about 60 Hz, etc. -- which are really are now becoming the source of interest, how they probably are picking up on the galactic impulses that's coming to us at this time, and probably affecting our DNA in a way that, as yet, we aren't even able to measure.

So whether we need to bring out 12 strands of, I think—some people speak about that already happening—but I do think we need to understand that there is an interconnection happening at a level that scientific who were not even measuring.

Kala: I agree, and that's such an honest answer. I think sometimes in the medical community, there are comments like that, such as “It's resting” or “It's unknown,” when really, it's okay just to say, “We don't know.” It has a purpose; we just haven't figured it out yet.

Dr. Christine Page: Exactly. Well, I think it's very exciting, and again, if I listen and don't know that, I want everybody to know that when someone says it's in your genes, it's rubbish. What's in your genes is only 10% that the genome project only showed us; about 10%, if that, of our understanding. 93% we really don't know what's going on. That excites me.

Kala: It is exciting.

Dr. Christine Page: Yes.

 Kala: (continued from part one) We've had several guests on the show; Dawson Church, talking about “The Genie in Your Genes”.

Dr. Christine Page: Good.

Kala: Dr. Bruce Lipton and Dr. Norm Shealy and so many wonderful people and yourself included are working on these things and trying to help. We understand this as we grow and move into the future. I want to touch back a little bit into something you have mentioned just a little bit ago when you were speaking about sin and the moon. I've always thought that was so interesting with Mt. Sinai, which was named after the moon god, Sin, and where the 10 Commandments came from, that so many people followed. That it came from the mountain of “sin” but somehow, “sin” became a bad word. It's interesting how—I call them “Public relation campaigns”, they turn things around.

Dr. Christine Page: I know. Isn't it fascinating? It really is. And I think even “hell”, coming from the goddess Hel, the goddess of regeneration, how it got twisted.

Kala: Yes, it seems.

Dr. Christine Page: Like you, probably, I'm only saying that this is information that you may wish to be interested in. I'm not denying anybody's religion. But, when we limit ourselves to only one set of rules or one set of books, then we are going to find ourselves losing our power, frankly.

Kala: I think that's changing now, in this time, that people are becoming more independent. We're seeing this on the Internet really, it's expanding that for everyone to go and research. And as I say, just keep an open mind and if I put something out here for you to think about, if it interests you, don't take my word for it, go research it. It's out there, if you're willing to do the work and look at history. You don't have to believe one person's opinion or thought. There are plenty of people out there sharing that information, and it's just to educate yourself, and to make some decisions for yourself independently.

Dr. Christine Page: And it feels very important, that at this time where we're getting so many impulses from the galaxy—and again, we've got no clue what that looks like—last year, we had 4 months were there were no solar spots. We had no idea what the effect would be. We believed that because there were no flares and no spots, we were getting a greater amount of galactic impulses coming into our awareness. But again, I couldn't say, “Wow. I really felt it.” Do you think the happening has never happened before? Afterwards, never ever measured, that level of lack of activity from the sun?

So, we are being influenced. I think it's coming to our dreams. Many people are talking about their dreams changing and obviously, an increase in awareness and an interest in everything. But it's also to understand that we've always been galactic beings. It's just wakening us up for who we are. We've always been solar beings; we've always been universal beings. This to me is a time for dropping all of the veils of our smallness so we can truly understand ourselves in our large eternalness.

Kala: Christine, we're talking a little bit about solar flares and 2012. Let's get into that. What is happening for 2012? Should people be concerned? And we are seeing more increased activity with the sun and solar flares, what are your thoughts about both of those?

Dr. Christine Page: As I said, I want to say that we had no activity last year, so everything's a little crazy. I think that it's similar somewhat to what everybody's been talking about in climate change. I think I'd like the word change rather than, I suppose what we're seeing is global warming, so we’re also getting global cooling, and I think the idea that we have any clue what it's going to look like is very important for us to just recognize the changes happening.

That change doesn't mean that we have to then stop panicking. We have to see it and what we all chose at this time for us to be here. And again, that is such an important memory to think that this was the life that we asked for. After 26,000 years of life we said, “Please let us be there because our soul cannot make the transformation as fully out-of-body as it can in-body.” This is why I believe we have so many people here on this planet at the moment. We all wanted to be here. But I also know that I meet a lot of people who, ever since they arrived, can't wait to leave.

Kala: Well, I understand that. I think it is such an incredible time to be here, as a soul to help usher in this new age. But it's kind of like being excited about going to Disneyland and then after you're tired and you've been there a long time, you're like, “I just want to go home.”

Dr. Christine Page: We are the creators of the new world and this is a new world. Again, I'm sure you've discussed this but just to remind everybody that, on the 25th of December 2012, this is the end of the Mayan calendar after 5,200 years. This is actually the last calendar of the 26,000 years, each of the five calendars lasting 5,200 years. We're actually in the fifth stage of what is known as the World of the Fourth Sun, according to the Maya and we are about to start the fifth world or the World of the Fifth Sun according to the Maya. And whether we want to go with the Mayan calendar or anybody else's calendars, I have to say every indigenous person's speaking much the same language, whether it's exactly the same date, but we're all talking of this huge wave of consciousness' changing.

When people talk about, “We're coming to the end of the world.” I say, “Yes, we are coming to the end of 'a' world, but not 'the' world.” For us to go through this, this isn't just about us. For once in our life, this isn't everything that’s not about us. This is also about the earth itself or herself. She is going through changes and we're going to see those; as they are earthquakes, or volcanoes, or drought, or drowning. Basically, she's also got to shed herself off all the old patterns just as each of us are going through the same. Then the sun is going through --you know, the sun hasn't been as close to the galaxy for 26,000 years-- extraordinary changes that we haven't got record of, one could say, in our smallness. We're seeing that because we're seeing changes on Mars, and we're seeing changes on other planets. So, it's not all about our SUV's, and it's not all about us for once, but it is a part of us. We are experiencing it because we exist within all these different levels, as well.

And the fifth world brings us in, or then, according to the Maya, they see it as the world ruled by Ether, the rule which is the combination of the other four elements. So the Ether represents non-local realities, the ability to be very much in the present moment. It's the fifth world, which is related to transformation, and according to them, it's related to what they called the fusion of diversity, where light and dark are going to be equally accepted. And this is where we are going to see unity on this planet, through diversity. Not by trying to get rid of one group in order to become all one-way, but by acceptance of all cut types and all beings as part of the great divine, the Great Mother.

I think that's really what the excitement is about. That is going to take a huge shift in our thinking. I think we can have tremendous down loadings coming through our dream state. I know that we are being helped at these times, but truly, what we are all needing to do is shed our own prejudgments and prejudices, and be able to become more complete within our self; more loving of ourselves. The way through first was going to be through love of ourselves—for us to get any further forward.

Kala: Yes, indeed. People fear change so much, I think, that's why there's such a concern right now. Like you mentioned earlier—that it's a period of death and rebirth—people are tending to focus on that fear of a death or an ending and not looking at it as a cycle, that rebirth will follow that. Change is good if we just get that across. Change is a good thing and if people will look back at what were preconceived moments of negative experiences, if you look back at your life and you look at those, you realize that's when you learn the most and probably became a better person for what you went through. If we could see these changes like that—and understand that we go through some of those dark cycles or dark rift, as you said—we are reborn, and we come through.

It seems like at this point in the cosmos, we are opening the heart center, the heart chakra, and being born into a higher love; going from that, third chakra to the fourth chakra in so many ways. What a beautiful time to be here and to experience that, if we can just remember to take a deep breath, that it's going to be okay and that we can get through this.

That's why I'm so glad that there are books out here like this on yours about 2012, because we've had a lot of guests on the show and a lot of people predict some really concerning things for 2012. I think we need to balance that with the other. Maybe there will be some rocky times with it, but things are pretty rocky right now in 2009. So...

Dr. Christine Page: Yes, exactly. You know, I was told by the white Oslo woman that things don't have to be as bad as prophecies have said.

Kala: Yes.

Dr. Christine Page: So, it feels --and I speak to others; indigenous people, who were working very hard to hold the energies and to transform them-- there is progress, I think that that's progress is saying, “The wake-up call is happening,” and people are listening. So, every time another light goes on, there is less reason to go through so much chaos.

Kala: Yes. I always go back to a birth process and just like women have learned, to breathe and to have ease when they're giving birth, and to have people around to help them in that breath. I do think a lot is connected to the breath. If we could learn to slow down and do that, instead of rushing through everything like we are, and connect with ourselves that way and breathe, it will be much like giving birth. Any woman that's ever done that, it helps a lot if you can stay calm and breathe.

Dr. Christine Page: Absolutely, absolutely. Perhaps I can also just share a little bit about what is important of this time. Why are we going through this? What I want to kind of get the idea of is that first, the voices say we are very creative beings and that we all came down here to perfect ourselves—not because we're not perfect—but to bring up perfect essence down here onto this earth.

It's much like having this wonderful jigsaw lid. You've got all the pieces and you've got to put all the pieces together, and then you create that perfect image down here on earth. That's the idea of being born in the image of God. What has happened is that, sometimes, we've put pieces together of our jigsaw that really were never meant to stay together, but we kind of forced them together and it spells okay. Sometimes we created things that we weren't too proud of or the society didn't say was okay, so we have shunned these pieces.

What is happening at the moment, is that anything in which we have separated from needs to now be re owned And re owned without judgment. Literally, re owned through love, being brought to our heart. What we have done in the past is project all the parts of us that we didn't like out into the world. Well, now we're not going to be able to do that as much. That anything we project, anything we judge in someone else is going to come back to us. So what I would say is that anything that we're doing out of fear, or out of guilt, or out of duty, or out of shame, they are the things that are now coming to an end or even after fantasy.

It's not that something's happening to us. It's fact is that our highest self, our divine self, is saying, “Enough of this play making; enough of this beating up on yourself, and enough of this shame.” Time to let go of those stories that are making you feel small and to own that part of yourself, whatever it looks like. Like a child that you're saying, “'I created you', but ooh... I don't want it.” It's part of you, own it. And in owning those parts, we actually bring those parts to our heart, we create more light within our self—more consciousness, more light.

We literally create a stronger light for thee. In increasing a stronger light for thee, we are then able to be greater creators of this new world. But if we shun the light, and if we hide from those parts of our self, our ability to create strong wands of consciousness, wands of transformation are limited. I hope that is kind of a clear way of saying it.

This isn't something happening to us. This is us saying, “I'm ready to be the full being that I am. I'm way ready to step fully into my souls’ incarnation.” To do that, it isn't about helping the world or serving someone else. It's about saying, bringing home all the parts of yourself, that have become separated over the last 26,000 years. That's all we have to do. It's that easy.

Kala: I liken it a lot to looking at our stage of evolvement as humanity as a whole. And that currently, we've been in what I call the “teen stage”, where the teenager, whatever happens at the moment is so important and encompassing, and sometimes, we're ruled by our emotions. We get wrapped up in those emotions and they hold us prisoner, much like we can all remember in our teen years. The drama of the day or whatever happens just had great importance over our lives and affected us tremendously.

Now on this stage of evolvement, it seems to me that we're going to the next level of maturity into young adulthood where we understand more that we are children of the universe, but that we have a destiny and there's more available to us, more than we've realized at that time. And as we're stepping out of the emotions and more into a greater understanding, this is kind of what's unfolding here.

Dr. Christine Page: Very true. Well, I have to say, Kala, I also think that we are also, as elders now. And I think as elders, it's also time for us to be wise--through our ability to own our wisdom. I think that we're all being given the chance to look back over 26,000 years and go, “Okay. That maybe wasn't the best idea. But I did it.”

I think as an elder, you have the time to do it. I absolutely agree with you that we need to take time, to actually be self-reflective, rather, the usual pattern is to say, “I'd love to take time to be self-reflective, but I haven't got it. I'm so busy.” The universe is saying, “You think you're busy? I can make you not busy. You've just lost a job. There we go. You're no longer busy anymore.”

And frankly, that, I think, is what's happening. I will say, having worked 30 years in the health profession, I've listened to people who say, “I haven't got time to take out.” And all of a sudden, they're flat on their back or whatever's happened. The body is really one of our greatest helpers and says, “I will help you to take time to reflect. There we go.”

Kala: Yes. Speaking of that, I'd love to bring you back on the show to talk about your other book “Frontiers of Health,” where we can really talk about the whole person and the body. I'll speak with you about that.

In the interest of time, though, I'm going to move forward on this a little bit. I love Egyptian gods and goddesses and the history there. I love to teach about that. Lately, I've been talking a lot about Sekhmet, and enjoyed reading in your book about Sekhmet and the information there with Ra and how that Sekhmet was attached to Ra's solar rays. Tell us about that and what she was doing there.

Dr. Christine Page: It was interesting. Sekhmet is a very ancient goddess, as far as I'm concerned. I may not be accurate in this, but I believe—I mean, Sekhmet was the great lion goddess, half lion, half man—and to me, I believe that Sekhmet may well have been one of the instruments that came about to produce Sphinx there 13,000 years ago. I'm just putting that in because I think Sekhmet is a very ancient goddess.

I think that when Ra came along—which was relatively recent 5,000 years ago—he had to put Sekhmet somewhere into his, he couldn't have her running loose anymore. And again, if we read back in most ancient cultures, the Sekhmet who is a dark goddess—as is someone like Lilith, or Ereshkigal or Kali—I think these men gods were terrified of them. The dark goddesses always ruled the underworld. Every pharaoh, every king, every god had to go into her lair, into her cauldron in order to achieve his fullness.

And so, I think that when I was reading about Ra and Sekhmet, of course, he is historically changed somewhat, because it was starting with a patriarchic coming through around that time. And of course now, Ra wants to have some power over the people, so he sends Sekhmet down to bring peace. Well, of course, she starts devouring people and she starts to tear them apart and a lot of bleeding goes on. He basically sees that maybe he's got a wild woman here he can't control. So he sends down a sleeping drug that he puts in the blood that she's drinking, and she falls asleep. And there we get this quietening period that goes on.

I think that the symbolism there is multiple. I think there's a symbolism about the whole wild woman which needs to be not tempered by the masculine but beyond, he stood again in the cyclical sense. That there was a quiet period during the menstrual cycle, and then there's a time of a lot of bleeding. So that that quiet period is, of course, after the blood loss we talk about during that time. But, I think it also is telling us something prophetically, that there will be a time where there will be a lot of solar flares. That's what I feel they're telling us, that Sekhmet represents this very strong solar flares, the heating up that's going on. But it's also saying that there will come a time when everything will quiet down, and that she will fall asleep again.

So, I think we're in one of Sekhmet's moments, and I think that we saw increase in volcanic activity and earthquake activity. We're starting to see the underworld, the volcano, the lava starting to rise again as the earth starts to transform.

Kala: I thought that was a fascinating analogy with the solar flares and Sekhmet. It is interesting to look back on that, that we could learn from that and see some of the things that are unfolding right now—on the earth and in the skies above us, of what's happening. That is of great interest and I appreciate that.

Unfortunately, we've run out of time and I have hundreds of other questions we could have delved into, and I know our listeners would have too. But Dr. Page, we enjoyed so much having you on the show. Thank you so much for your time and sharing just a little bit about 2012. I want to give out your website again, which is www.ChristinePage.com and the book is “2012 and the Galactic Center: The Return of the Great Mother”. Again, as I want to mention to our listeners, really one of my favorite books explaining this about past, present and future. If this subject interests you, this is the book to have in your library.

Thank you so much for your time.

Dr. Christine Page: Thank you. Such a pleasure and such a kindred spirit. So we could talk forever, I know. Thank you.